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Posted on Sep 13, 2009 at 06:45 PM

Thought I would try writing, if for anything, to try to add a little bit of depth to the discussion of the relationship between the cliche older woman and younger man. It is a loosely encompassing topic. It says a blog is kinda like an online journal, so I figure I can ramble for awhile and at times the touching coherence may spark some sort of intellectual posturing and banter. Let me start by stating I pretty much can tell you I will marry a woman with at least a couple handfuls of years on me. It is my, what do you call it, spiritual yearning to do so. It is like a vision....a creative force of something peripherally present, but the vast interplay between the two individuals is more of a slow dance into reality. She is what appeals to me, and the time spent learning how to find her is this purgatorial frustration between conditional variables of our separate but similar existences and finding enough commonality to bridge the apparent but really illusionary differences of our paths through life. One day, while I was out hiking somewhere in some pretty interesting wilds...I think it was a day I did a 16 mile hike in pouring rain to a mountain peak that was shrouded in dense clouds, howling wind, and a bit of freezing rain (good conditions for self analysis) I had this explanation that I may or may not impart fully in discussion here. It would be a bit of overload for an intro blog. I want a woman who wants to love again. That is really a big part of it for me. I sense in some of the women I have dated a void, if not a wall of disconnect to the ability to really want that in a partner (probably makes it easier to go after younger guys since it would seem logical that is 'temporary'). Well, I want to really love someone, it is all pure and stored and able to be given - which is a testament in itself to what it takes to really have the knowledge of what can be offered to make a relationship not only possible, but enriched and satisfying. The woman I have always wanted, well, shes older, wiser, experienced in life in ways I can't be..... And to be honest, I don't know in what medium i'll find her, I really just feel it is a waiting game of sorts, but this is more of a reflection of thought on a subject that has been near and dear to my heart for pretty much my whole adult life. I hope anyone who cares to read gains perspective and understanding more than this as a mechanism to find someone. I don't know what i think about this medium other than communication in some form, it has not been the most kind to me for finding the right person, but in browsing this site somewhat, well, i wanted to add a different spin to what i have come across in some of the writings and whatnot. More to come. Later. 9/16 So where was I? Well, anyway, today I was thinking about the social climate of society that has repressed the ideation of this kind of relationship. This goes back to my self conversation on the hiking day mentioned above. I tried to visualize the mindset of a woman coming out of an era just pre-'women's lib' where cultural strings were so wrapped around societal expectation that even thinking about it openly was such a foreign concept that only the most brave souls would ponder the joys of finding the 'real thing' in such a manner. So lets take a woman in say, her 60's, she would have grown up, found a career of sorts, married and had kids, divorced and been living out her days in the 'modern era' without much guidance to even take a guy like me into consideration for anything real or permanent, because it was never given the proper credence. It is that oft mentioned clarity of vision that essentially is the window to finding a woman to have the ability to trust, love and desire the kind of thing I am searching for. She would have to be a trend setter, visionary, whatever you want to call it to have the mindset to create the possibility of being open and receptive to finding a kindred spirit lover and friend in the physical manifestation of our respective selves. The irony, from my perspective, I have this thing for women who, shall we say, have let the 'fire burn out'. There is something almost magical to me in understanding the personality that chooses that manner of life, I've endured the process, but still can't buy into the cold reality it leaves an individual boxed in. Certainly can't handle the lack of creativity.... So in my conversation with myself, I came to the conclusion she would probably somewhat cold to the possibility, way before even testing the reality. Kinda like an experimental variable or something, you know, the way people are, it would be the unique case that would have the personality that would put her on a platform (which is my speak for having at least marginal success in a career sense to be able to speak to the community or the world what it is you loved to do) that I could know of her in a way that attracts me. I want someone I can adore, truly. She could be anything really, like a teacher or something, but if I could see the passion in her work, that is what I can adore, you know? I dunno, I think it's time to understand the dynamics of this kind of relationship, because at some point it will be the foundation of my marriage, and I expect a great one. More to come, if you're still interested.....maybe more anecdotal next time if I can think of experiences to ramble about.


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Posted on Jan 15, 2010 at 05:17 PM

Namaste


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Posted on Nov 30, 2009 at 03:14 PM

Helena so exactly what is it that's hypocritical about anything which I've said?.You're entitled to your say too but you've been happy enough to lambaste me from day 1 but I've heard it all before so I don't care.Anyway I'm still waiting for any of the (probably non existent) young women on here to 'contribute' on this topic as the discussion which observant one has started here applies with just as much relevance in the case of potential OM/YW relationships.However I did'nt see any comments here from the author of the thread concerning anything 'negative' or hypocritical about my contributions to the discussion relevant to the thread.As I read it it was both you and Lunamor who've taken my contribution and observations on the thread as in some way negative,whining,and whingeing.

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Posted on Nov 29, 2009 at 05:22 PM

You Jag have to be the most hypocritical person on this site and YES you do whine and winge - right from day #1.¿ You are entitled to your say but you lambaste everyone who contributes to this site and have successfully stopped a lot of contributors through your negativity.¿ It actually used to be a lot of fun with many connections resulting but no longer on the blogs with guys like you.


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Posted on Nov 29, 2009 at 03:11 PM

Quoting: Originally posted by lunamor
I haven't criticized what you're looking for because I don't care. I HAVE commented on your attitude and negativity. Having said that, I really do think that you need to take a warm bath, have a hot supper and tuck yourself in with a Valium-dipped pacifier.


Lunamor you seem to think that you're an expert when it comes to judging my attitude and 'negativety'.But I won't bother with the valium thanks because I get more than enough sleep without it.Save your judgement for all of those blokes out there who've dumped their wives for young single girls who prefer married/seperated/divorced blokes to single ones.But you did say that you find the idea of middle aged men dating much younger women as disturbing although the Church seemed to be happy enough to marry the teenaged girls who I knew who married middle aged men who'd dumped their wives and families for them while single men like me are left on the shelf.Yes I've got a (justified) negative view of hypocricy.I think that's a positive thing in my favour.

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Posted on Nov 25, 2009 at 07:28 AM

Quoting: Originally posted by helena2006

That is a very convoluted way of saying something/nothing?? Jag you have criticized everything that both Lunamor and I have said on every site only to whine and winge about your lack of success in getting a younger woman.? I think your chances are dwindling with every whine you post and that you should relax and go with the flow and if, god forbid, she is your age, let it happen cos she might be nice and just as lonely as you.



I don't whine and whinge helena I've been making some cynical observations on my experiences concerning relationships and any younger girl who can't understand that is'nt one who I'd be looking for anyway.The reason that I've been criticising most of what you and Lunamor have said is because I've had a gutful of living in a world where hypocricy is all around me.So no chance I won't be going with any 'flow' of a world which is trying to tell me to take on an old,probably second hand,wife who is too old for me to have a family of my own with,who's probably been dumped by some bloke who decides he does'nt want her or his own family anymore so that he can have a second,or third chance in life of having another family with a younger single girl while I don't get any.As I've said that has been my experience through life and you and lunamor just seem to add to the hypocricy of the situation by telling me that as an older single bloke I should'nt be looking for a much younger single girl having lost out with a girl of my own age when I was young to a divorced older bloke who no one at the time ever criticised for doing exactly as I'm doing now.So far your only defence in regard to that hypocricy seems to be based on 'it would have been ok in the old wild west but it is'nt ok today to be looking for what I'm looking for'?.However that hypocricy of yours seems to go far enough to not want to criticise the situation of divorcees pulling young single girls at the expense of single blokes who then have to go without as happened in my case all those years ago and which is why I'm now looking for a younger wife instead of one of my own age which I was then.So no Helena she won't be 'my age' and I'm not looking for any,'lonely',woman of my own age now however nice she might be.I'm looking for a young single girl just as I was when I was a teenager just like all the other blokes of my age were at the time.However those blokes were luckier than me in finding one who wanted them.In my case the word is'nt 'lonely' it's unlucky mostly caused by precisely the type of OM/YW relationship which you and Lunamor say that you don't agree with and which I'm now,by neccessity not choice,looking for myself.However the bit I don't get is why you and Lunamor can't seem to understand or differentiate between the type of age gap relationship which I'm looking for (and probably won't get) and the type of one between an older bloke who's run out on his wife for a younger girl.It's those type of blokes who stand more chance than me and that's why I'm here complaining about the hypocricy of it all.But it's the younger girls who can't understand the reasoning behind my complaints who I'm better off without.But one day I just might find one who does understand exactly where I'm coming from and in which case she'll probably be 'the one'.But whatever happens I've got nothing to lose.

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Posted on Nov 23, 2009 at 10:34 PM

That is a very convoluted way of saying something/nothing?¿ Jag you have criticized everything that both Lunamor and I have said on every site only to whine and winge about your lack of success in getting a younger woman.¿ I think your chances are dwindling with every whine you post and that you should relax and go with the flow and if, god forbid, she is your age, let it happen cos she might be nice and just as lonely as you.


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Posted on Nov 17, 2009 at 02:23 PM

Hey Bruce. Thanks for commenting. You bring up an interesting point. On the one hand it may have certainly affected either 'archetypal' individuals of a 'may-dec' relationship, it being pop culture, but I am working on a philosophical theory that would suggest the intellect, wills, and unique tastes in terms of building on this as a successful marriage without constraints of being made to feel a certain way because of prevailing social attitudes. It is ironic to me these days that the way it is portrayed is from a prowling vixen to a young whipper snapper if you will on some of these shows. It is notable that there is one apparently successful marriage given a cultural spotlight... In my case, some woman will have to match wits to my approach and if we can come together on that plane, it will be a launch pad for a relationship that I think can succeed long term and be mutually satisfying.


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Posted on Nov 15, 2009 at 07:29 PM

I really do think that popular culture has wrecked a lot of potentially great realtionships between men and women that would have otherwise transpired. Bruce Wayne

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Posted on Oct 29, 2009 at 08:29 PM

No, no¿ no¿ Jag that is not how it was in the past.¿ The pretentious artist was¿¿after the fact and had nothing to do with my marriage's failure.¿ He also sucked as a so-called artist.¿ I did however make the mistake of involving him in my career which was a big f------ mistake.¿ He loved the fame and press attention but had zero to offer as a person.¿ I was okay with that for awhile.¿ This is a man who has four children by four differernt mothers who has played no part in the lives of his children and yet expects to be recognized as the father (please read sperm donor here).¿ A total loser by all accounts.¿ Whatever, life is what it is.¿ We cannot change the people we meet ,we just either connect or not and move on.¿ T


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Posted on Oct 06, 2009 at 04:02 PM

Hi Helena, gee, what did the first guy think of all that? 12 years huh, you're practically my hero. Mine was all of 4ish years and never really had long term potential, we both knew i was going one way and she the other at some point....but it did cement for me the interest in finding this kind of relationship in its' entirety, for pretty much the duration...and since then i have found women who have been entirely flippant about the sanctity of love and it's expression and thus i merely reflect my thoughts on this topic these days.....in fact, you kinda remind me of a woman who did quite a number on me.....ironic huh.....but alas, that one was a long time ago so i guess as it turns out, i really am just kinda playing 'where's waldo' except waldo is a woman because it is almost a singular shot at finding her, but i believe in the depths of true love and the idea that there is someone who is a great compliment and fit to my life and my being and it is through her i seek connection. What is it about the feeling of love....it can be so consuming....i know in all relationships there is always someone who wants it more, but i am curious, how did that play itself out between you two, i mean if you broke it off when did you realize there wasn't the kind of balance in your commitment....well perhaps i am too forward in my conversation, but my thoughts are spinning about if i were to get to that point with a woman, it would seem like a lot of investment and at what point do you find yourself trying to determine what would make it worth continuing or walking away from. It sounds like he had more of his heart in it, just by your statements....perhaps at some point i'll write you an email or something if you don't want to just blurb about it on here...i would like to hear some more i guess, from the perspective of a guy who really wants to find one good woman and have one great relationship......thanks for writing, i appreciate the tale


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Posted on Oct 06, 2009 at 03:33 PM

Hi Raquel, Oh you're too much, thank you for your kind words....your perspective is interesting, from one point of view you could interpret a sort of 'waking dream' approach to finding this kind of relationship successful, which hey if you're down their in sunny palm beach, might just be, but really it sounds like you have all the ingredients to make it work, except for what seems the crazy limitation...getting the right two people together.... a guy who can see you and be with you 'as you are' and have that be enough. I don't know where i wrote it, if i mentioned it in a profile, a blog, or in passing in a chapter in this book i wrote, but to me i have sought as clear of a 'reality' picture in my approach to finding this relationship, as well as how i chose to live my life as well. And my reasoning was that I think it presents the optimal starting point for this kind of relationship, because the blinding light of love is so strong and powerfully uplifting that how can you know what to protect, how can you be sure of having the right foundation to build upon...you know. So that is the mindset, i think of a bunch of people, guys like me more so, that were disillusioned by being surrounded by a wasted consumer driven post baby boomer almost apocalyptic kind of reality where the plasticated world of pretend seems to hold a higher or loftier level to the day in day out task of living and growing as a being. It doesn't stimulate that raw internal sort of hunger for something deeper or more meaningful... So what i am saying, in too many words, is that there guys out there that can see things the way it is you 'dream'. They want to see someone for who they are, and that is their offering, the problem is finding that in the mix of a society and a culture that often puts expectation on a masculine approach to love that is supposed to be directed in one manner while what is attractive in a feminine realm is to be subjunctively expressed by what an image dictates, so the process of finding the couple that can make this work, well, it is harder. I guess i'll wrap this thought up by just stating, kinda in reference to your comment, anything IS possible IF you are wise in your placement of what dreams fit the surrounding reality, so look around, you may find him.....here's a hint from me, i lived down in your neck of the woods for awhile, and like my name on here, i spent more time just kinda hanging out, even if i was out and about, just kind watching the way people were living, or i'd hang out on beaches outside of where the crowds were laying out, just because i preferred the solitude and the individual connection with the ocean...it was meditative and creative for me i guess....so who knows, a thought anyway....glad you took note and wrote!


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Posted on Oct 05, 2009 at 09:07 PM

I found your blog very interesting and would like to add that in my experience at least, the relationship with a younger man just happened. Like your revelations climbing the mountain, they just happen. I never sought a younger man and neither of my two main young male relationships occurred becaused they were seeking an older woman. One day I found myself chatting to a younger friend who happpened to bring along another young friend and the next thing the latter male was phoning me daily. Ultimately we had a 12 year relationship severed by me and although I hate that he still cannot let me go, je ne regret rien. It had highs and lows like any relationship but the highs were the best of my life....good luck in your search.H

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Posted on Oct 03, 2009 at 12:15 AM

All I can say is "wow"! I just discovered the blogs today and I'm glad I did. You just have given me hope that the "impossible" could actually be possible... Yesterday I dreamed that a handsome young man was interested in me and when I woke up I just "reminded" myself of all the reasons why that "could not be" anymore... I just had another birthday a couple of weeks ago and that has a lot to do with that, but I'd kind of given up on finding someone of any age, period. However, the impression of the dream was so strong I couldn't help but be drawn into a fantasy world where I could make it possible somehow so I allowed myself to daydream for a while, imagining how such a scenario could develop. As I constructed a little story that made some sense in my head, I came up with a lot of objections but "my guy" was strong enough to not care about them and liked me for the person I am, whom I've become. If only for a while, I enjoyed just fantasizing that "someone out there" would not really care that I have gray hair and a few other "impefections" that come with age. My mind soon returned to the "real world" but I guess I ended up here now because of the longing that dream (and daydream) left in me. I honestly thought men like you, observant_one, only existed in my imagination but your blog entry is proving me wrong. I guess there ARE idealistic men out there who have romantic yet solid ideas and reasons for a May/December lasting relationship after all! So I want to thank you for having the courage to start this blog and share your intimate thoughts, your honesty is very refreshing. I also sincerely want to wish you that you find the love your heart desires. :-D Raquel

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Posted on Sep 24, 2009 at 12:37 PM

That seemed to be a good shot at trying to understand the logic which young women seem to apply in some cases but all/most of them in my experience when I was young seemed to be applying some other type of criterea which even after all these years I can't understand.It was actually the total reverse of a maturity issue in that they were certainly up for a serious relationship at a very early age and were married in their teens.The confusing part is that they seemed to want and chose to have those relationships with the preference for someone much older and with a previous marriage behind them to the point where given the choice between me being single and someone who was married/seperated they chose the married bloke over me every time.Ironically on here and other sites these days I'm finding most young single girls don't want something serious even as a possible future.They also now mostly seem to have massive age hang ups to the point where they won't consider anyone over 35 or often less.I think that is down to a relatively recent social shift in age gap issues and is often down to outside pressures.However the one common link is that regardless of wether they are looking for something serious or casual they mostly still seem to have a preference for blokes with failed relationships and with one ex or more behind them and often even an existing wife and family.I reckon that those issues go far deeper than just a maturity issue?.From what I've seen it's a background issue in which most of them have grown up in homes where the Father has given them the idea that blokes having multiple relationships over a life time is the way things should be and those fathers also seem to have a controlling influence over their daughters' choices far more now than in my younger days?.I've lost count of the times most girls these days seem to compare their dating choices with the relative age of their Father etc. and obviously his idea of the person that they should be looking for?.It would be great to hear from any young women on here who'd like to discuss all of that.However from my own point of view I've always found it very easy to choose the type of girl I'm looking for and I can usually tell if I really like her very quickly.Those type of girls seem to stand out from others but unfortunately for me those qualities which I saw and liked in their personality and looks obviously seemed to also have an attraction to other blokes too who liked what they saw to the point where they were prepared to walk away from their wives and families to get them.It's a bad situation I reckon.

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Posted on Sep 22, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Wow, Observant one, you might just be one in a million, to see what you do and know what, for the most part, that you are looking for. I know there are older women who would like a relationship IF possible. It is finding her I guess, just like finding that man who is open to the possibility as well. Best of luck to you and your search. Diane

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Posted on Sep 21, 2009 at 06:01 PM

It is a look in the eyes for me. You can tell a lot from a quick glance. Everything I ever believed in, about love and relationships, is stored right there. So i surmise that is what reflects. Perhaps not everyone takes visual cues to that extent, but it goes back to something else I wrote a long time ago....the idea of love to me is like putting your fragile emotional self in the hands of another person, completely, and i feel most exposed through my eyes..... So, back to my hiking story, on this day I had reached a point of really feeling tested by the elements. It would be the first of several occasions in the next couple of weeks that were physically and mentally challenging to a greater extent than previously endured, whether it was the technicality of the landscape or the harshness of the wild weather I became surrounded by. But here I am, climbing higher and higher into a thick rolling fog, practically freezing rain, wearing shorts and tee-shirt (maybe it was a kilt or a skirt if you like) and my coping mechanism became this discussion about this mythical woman who liberated herself, found some sort of life for herself, but became cold....for whatever reason. And why she would be it for me. Because to me there would be nothing greater than rekindling that something that was lost. I guess it wouldn't even have to be relationship or love that turned her....society today has a way of beating the warmth out of you if you let it.....and I guess I kinda dated a woman who somewhat reminded me of this, and i just thought to myself, man what if you hadn't been so hurt and damaged by your life circumstance that you could see all the possibility instead of wrapping yourself in the fear. It was also this discussion about what would she find in me, how to change a thought process from the immediacy of how societal expectation would dictate her to think from a security point of view as to why I was a better choice, at my younger age with limited ability from a professional or even a housing perspective. How could I entice someone to believe the foundation for success lay in the ability to protect emotion, to find security of ourselves within each other first to in essence stand on our own belief system of what brought us together in a relationship to stand against whatever the perspective the world would have or has had. Meanwhile, I was letting go of my own previous choices for a career and all the 'success' of achieving whatever it is I had achieved trying to be this person I thought i was to be......stripping away my external layers of my own societal role, all to reach this catharsis, which really made the summit great when i finally got there (even though it was damn windy above tree line) But in thinking about her, what if she hadn't had that ability, lived in her 'role' in society for years upon years here would be a different approach to let go of that structure in a different manner stirring an emotional aspect of her being that had been dormant, if for lack of a better term, by the barriers of society itself. So she would have come through this era of womens lib and the era of rapid changes in society over the past 20 years all just to find at the end the void created emotionally. The underlying current is someone who is pushed to a limit that makes them think about another way forward stimulates possibility. I would suppose a divorce or some other traumatic loss may also edge someone to thinking of another way, but i think the chances of finding someone to really take the risk again, well, who knows it takes all kinds.... Regardless, I do believe she's out there. The reality is a woman out there who is attracted to the idea of a relationship with a younger guy, the things that bring you together shouldn't limit the extent of what can be shared. I sense limitations set from either past relationship experience or the terms people enter into relationships. Just trying to share an open perspective. something from this book i am reading....it states 'only growing intimacy can provide couples with the foundation of trust that enables them to reveal their deeper psychological needs to each other'. Do other people think about this stuff too?


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Posted on Sep 20, 2009 at 03:57 AM

I'd say that your answer seems to reach the same conclusion which I have concerning two single people starting out together from scratch and staying together for life from day 1?.It just seems to make more sense to me in the older man younger woman scenario but like you say it would be difficult to find that in an older woman and maybe for a younger girl who's looking for a single older man who's got no previous failed long term relationships behind him.My problem is that there really is'nt many,if any,young women out there who seem to be looking for something serious with an older man in the context of the type of relationship which is built from a foundation of two people with no previous relationships behind them.It's probably also something to do with the fact that there's very few single blokes like me of my age out here who got left on the shelf when I was younger.But it's very disheartening to see so many single girls with no previous relationships walk away because they seem to prefer blokes who've got those failed realtionships behind them and that is the main reason why I got left on the shelf from when I was young and it's still happening today.

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Posted on Sep 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM

jag6000- in response to your comment....this is part of the reason i am writing these thoughts out in this blog, between some of the women i have dated and the cliche expectation for what the physical, mental and emotional stimulus is 'supposed' to be about, including what I have come across on sites like these where no one really thinks about it from the vantage point I have taken. I most certainly would date a woman who hadn't had a relationship at all, much older too, I would be somewhat surprised, but in a way it would be refreshing because we could view the experience of building a life together with same wide open eyes. I guess I have just assumed it would be someone who already had a failed relationship, because i generally seek out someone older enough that a failed relationship is part of the bag when we start. I just consider that an uphill battle more than a negative, really, because in retrospect I would suspect that many women constantly analyze their relationship back to their faults and have a hard time opening up again. So to me, they have a fresh start to correct mistakes from a previous relationship (say adultery or something) because they have been forced to confront all the heartache and loss from those mistakes, and hopefully it has helped them grow and mature. Should I meet a woman, who didn't have any of that experience, it would probably be an easier beginning for we would have the social and individual constructs of our own unique lives and attraction to each other as the 'starting material'. Blank slates might create stumbling blocks, but boy if you get it right..... I am surprised that from your perspective, which the way you express your expectation and wants in a younger woman, it is as difficult, but I suspect it is because you are fielding from the same percentage of a pool that see all this in a cliche manner, like what society tells you to think about these kind of things. It is great to strip away barriers and really explore the nature of what would make a relationship work, and to find people thinking about it at all in any other manner than current expectation (again, at least from what is percieved) will create the real opportunities either Older woman/younger man or vice versa).


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Posted on Sep 14, 2009 at 04:18 AM

It's interesting but why is it that we don't see any young women on here writing about looking for us older men?.There also seems to be a contradiction in looking for something long term and serious with someone who's already shown (by 'loving again') that they don't do life time commitment.As I see it there's a big difference between someone who's single never married etc looking for someone who's also single,never married etc than those on here who are looking for a second hand relationship,regardless of wether it involves YM/OW relationships or OM/YW relationships.However it's surprising that so many younger men and younger women seem to think that someone who has one or more failed relationships behind them is in some way 'wiser' than someone who has'nt.It seems to me that too much of the age gap scene is made up of people not looking for serious long term committment betwen single people of all ages but it's too often being seen as a way for those with a type of fetish for 'experience' to find what they're looking for.I'm looking for a younger woman simply because,as yet,I'm still single and I'm hoping to have a family with a younger girl in exactly the same way as if I'd been lucky enough to have done so with a girl of my own age when I was younger.However most,if not all,of the very few young single girls out there,who are looking for large age gap relationships with older men,seem to have just the 'experienced' older man thing behind their motives.I'd say that some of the younger men have the same motives behind their search for something,which they say is,serious with an older woman in other words it's the old Mrs Robinson and Lolita scenarios.My question to you is would you date or marry a much older woman than yourself IF that woman was still single with no previous relationships behind her whatsoever and I'd also ask that same question concerning the few,if any,younger women on here who 'say' that they're looking for something serious with an older man.

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